Meinungsfreiheit

Original geschrieben von Horatio d'Val
@schnitzelteller ;)
Hast Du den Post gelesen, wo der eine Typ behauptete, mein dortiger Nick "Kraut" hätte eine rassistisen Hintergrunde?


Ja, das hab ich gelesen, dabei sollte man meinen, das wir uns viel eher durch "Kraut" diskriminiert fühlen sollten ;) :rolleyes:
 
Jau, ist wirklich entsetzlich dort. Da werden die ca. 700 Opfer der Massaker in libanesischen Flüchtlingslagern 1982 als "zerbrochene Eier" verharmlost, die man "brauche, um ein Omlett zu machen". (Im "Original" übrigens ein Ausspruch von Condoleezza Rice über zivile Opfer während des Irak-Krieges). Doch es kommt noch besser: Die gleiche Person, die solches in der Israel Diskussion postet (und unter anderem verlangt, daß die Palestinenser in ihrem "eigenen Land" bleiben anstatt sich in Israel in die Luft zu jagen) steif und fest behauptet, daß die Klimaerwärmung nichts als linke Propaganda wäre, um die US-Bürger in ihrem Recht zu beschneiden, ungestraft die Atmosphäre verschmutzen zu dürfen.
Wenn es nicht so traurig wäre, könnte man über solche arme Würstchen echt den ganzen Tag lachen.....

C.
 
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Hach, Crimson, Du alter Nazi.....
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@all
Er ist natürlich keiner......na ja, für die Amis in unserem geliebtem Zweit-Forum schon....aber das sind wir Deutschen alle... :rolleyes:

Übrigens - die amerikanische Definition von "respect" (ja, genau, RESPEKT):
Wir dürfen NAZIs genannt werden etc., aber wehe wir gehen auch nur mal ganz leicht dagegen vor.... ;)
 
Na, Horatio, Du alter Faschist! :D :rolleyes:


Mit dem "Respekt" ist das natürlich so eine Sache. Ist halt nicht so einfach, Leute zu respektieren, die den Horizont eines Suppentellers haben, und ernstlich Meinungen wie die oben beschriebenen vertreten.

Also, zumindest ich habe da so meine Probleme..... :rolleyes:

C.
 
stupid white man + bowling for columbine sind mir schon vor ein paar wochen von einem freund vorgeschlagen worden, soll beides so toll sein...
 
@Miss Jade:
Kann mich da nur Deinem Freund anschliessen. Michael Moore gehört zu den wenigen Amis mit Hirn.

mtfbwy,
Yado
 
@Crimson
Nun, zumindest scheint unser neuer spezieller Freund, 49er Dragon, auch bei seinen Landsleuten nicht gut anzukommen (mit seinen Formulierungen) .....ich schätze mal, seine Tage sind gezählt! *jubel*
 
Ok, hier mal ein Auszug, was denn so die Einstellung vieler Amerikaner in dem Forum ist:

USER 1 zitiert Bruce Springsteen von dessen Homepage
"The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves. To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American. The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about - namely freedom. Right now, we are supposedly fighting to create freedom in Iraq, at the same time that some are trying to intimidate and punish people for using that same freedom here at home.

I don't know what happens next, but I do want to add my voice to those who think that the Dixie Chicks are getting a raw deal, and an un-American one to boot. I send them my support."
- Bruce Springsteen
Soweit sogut, Springsteen bezieht keinerlei Stellung pro/contra. Er sagt einfach nur, daß es ihm nicht gefällt, wie die Mädels der Dixie Chicks behandelt werden....

USER 2 als erste Reaktion
Uhm. Mr Boss? If you want them played on the radio, I think you have the bucks to start your own station and then you can play whatever you want!

USER 3 eigentlich im gleichen Tenor
Yes, I know. Same old mentality -- it's American to call Bush a moron, compare him to Hitler, and to declare shame on him, because hey, that's free speech, but it's un-American to support Bush and to support our troops. Never mind the fact that that's free speech as well, of course.

Kind of a shame the Boss decided to become such a boss just as he remembered how to rock again.

Und als nächstes werden die CDs verbrannt! :rolleyes:
 
Of course there are double standards with liberal socialists. They see Bush 43, Rumsfield, and Thatcher as a threat to socialism. They are the enemy.
Germany and France look at bin Laden as a tool for the socialist countries to rid democracies governed by the rule of law.
Why do you think Germany and France supported Iraq? There are more and more documents popping up proving their tight little arrangements.

das neuste von heute :rolleyes: ... mittlerweile finde ich das nur noch lustig (ach ja, mit liberal socialists sind wir und die Franzosen gemeint ;).

In einem anderen Thread behauptet einer, dass Deutschland in den letzten 70 (!! 2003-70 = 1933) von Sozialisten regiert wurde und natürlich ist Schröder ein Sozialist schlechthin ;). Ich hab darauf man mal einen "Short Brief on German History" gegeben und gesagt, der Kerl soll mal bei den Deutschen Gewerkschaften anfragen, ob Schröder überhaupt in einem Atemzug mit "sozial" genannt werden darf :D
 
Vor allem impliziert das Zitat, daß Osama Bin Laden - als fanatischer Moslem - ebenfalls ein Sozialist sei. :rolleyes: Auf sowas muß man erstmal kommen...

C.
 
Hey Horatio, jetzt hab ich American Girl doch echt mal zu ner netten Aussage gebracht (ich dachte, sie redet sich raus, naja, kann ja noch kommen).


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Originally posted by Schnitzelteller
But doesn't that mean in conclusion that if Saddam's foreign policy would have been cooperating with the US/UN, it would have been right to let him in power and continuing his interior "policy"? Just asking!
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American Girl wrote:

>If this was indeed the case, yes, but it wasn't. He was evading >resolution 1441 for twelve years.


Ich habs gestern nacht schon gelesen, aber war zu müde zu einer angemessen Antwort. Aber den Part hast du ja sehr gut übernommen ;)
 
Original geschrieben von dunkler Lord
Hey Horatio, jetzt hab ich American Girl doch echt mal zu ner netten Aussage gebracht (ich dachte, sie redet sich raus, naja, kann ja noch kommen).


quote:
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Originally posted by Schnitzelteller
But doesn't that mean in conclusion that if Saddam's foreign policy would have been cooperating with the US/UN, it would have been right to let him in power and continuing his interior "policy"? Just asking!
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American Girl wrote:

>If this was indeed the case, yes, but it wasn't. He was evading >resolution 1441 for twelve years.


Ich habs gestern nacht schon gelesen, aber war zu müde zu einer angemessen Antwort. Aber den Part hast du ja sehr gut übernommen ;)
Yeah, baby...... :cool: :D ;)
 
Ich bringe einfach mal die Posts :D ;)
Man möge insbesondere mein holpriges Englisch verzeihen!

Schnitzelteller (dunkler Lord)
But doesn't that mean in conclusion that if Saddam's foreign policy would have been cooperating with the US/UN, it would have been right to let him in power and continuing his interior "policy"? Just asking!

American Girl
If this was indeed the case, yes, but it wasn't. He was evading resolution 1441 for twelve years.

Kraut (Horatio)
That wasn't an answer to Schnitzelteller's question.
If Saddam Hussein accepted the UN-results and had cooperated with the UN, you (US) would let him in power and continuing his interior "policy"?
Just as a reminder.....the resolution 1441 was not regarding to the terms of free speech and human rights in the Iraq.
So your arguments would imply that in this case the famous fight for freedom, we have seen lately, would have never happened....

Somehow it is funny.....during the last days/weeks you have declared that the USA only fought for the freedom of the Iraq people.....but also you seem to imply that it would never happened if....anyway, anyway...

Schnitzelteller (dunkler Lord)
Like Kraut, i think that this statement is somehow astonishing, regarding the discussions we've had here

American Girl
What's even more astonishing is how you guys will bring up the same old comments and arguments, expecting some brilliant new response, and getting aggravated when you keep getting the same old answers to the same old questions. It's a little like expecting a new answer to the question "What color is the sky today?" and getting mad when you get the answer "Blue" for the fiftieth time. Know what I mean?

Und das werde ich jetzt posten :

Kraut (Horatio)
AG, sorry, but completly nonsense what you wrote....

During the last weeks while I'm visiting this board you claimed for the USA (as well as their allies) that they fought for freedom, free speech and against terrorism in the Iraq.

And some post above you wrote that it wouldn't happen if the Iraq would have cooperated regarding to the resolution....

You are twisting arguments and reasons here....your own!!!!!!!!!
 
Zwar hasse ich Doppelposts, aber muß sein:

Posted by Schnitzelteller:
But doesn't that mean in conclusion that if Saddam's foreign policy would have been cooperating with the US/UN, it would have been right to let him in power and continuing his interior "policy"?

Answer by American Girl:
If this was indeed the case, yes, but it wasn't. He was evading resolution 1441 for twelve years.

If you (the USA) would have been so willing to free the Iraq why messing up with the UN regarding 1441!?!?!?!?! The UN-resolution 1441 has nothing to do with human rights!!!!!!!! It's regarding to weapons of mass destruction wich still aren't found!

And if they would have been found for example by Blix you just said that the USA wouldn't have engaged (wether there was violance against human rights!!!!!!). That's what you have just said as seen above!!!!!

So stop claiming to fight for freedom regarding to your comments!

And no, I don't want to leave this topic for a while, because that's what some of you are doing very often when it comes to the points, which disagree to your point of view with good arguments a solutions you dislike!!
 
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Originally posted by American Girl
1) Any "You put Saddam in power"-arguments will yield the response of "We didn't know, and you didn't know about Hitler either"-arguments.

2) Any insinuations of any kind usually seem to be responded to with some type of Nazi reference, so don't be surprised to see that in response.
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1) show me a thread where somebody actually said "You put Saddam in power", because there is a difference between "You put Saddam in power" and "You supported Saddam while he was useful againgst Iran"

2) well, you actually said that the US wouldn't have attacked Iraq if Saddam had fullfilled 1441. 1441 was about WMD's and not human rights, so your statements is bringing up a totally new view on all this "we attacked Iraq to free the iraqi people" thing...


Was für uns wohl die wichtigste Aussage von AG in all den Wochen ist, scheint sie mit "und? dann seid ihr eben alle Nazis..." abtun zu wollen :D
 
A little bit off-topic...

@dunkler Lord
Deine Sig ist klasse, ich kenne sie auch, aber etwas anders....

"Krieg ist die Hölle....aber der Sound ist geil...."
:rolleyes: ;)
 
oh man, ist es so schwer, den Unterschied zwischen "Die USA haben Saddam unterstützt, als er noch nützlich war" und "Die USA haben Saddam an die Macht gebracht" zu verstehen? Brave new world...
 
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